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Best joke he ever created was, Dweezil.
Musician? I thought he was a golfer...

What about the Journal Archive? Have you got all that somewhere? And is it someplace others can see?


Okay, yes, I see that it is.


I'm not sure what you're referring to as the Journal Archive, but everything that was ever posted (not including comments) at www.lightondarkwater.com/blog should be here, but that doesn't seem to be.

I thought Moon Unit was funnier, Clarityseeker.

Let's not forget Ahmet ... Well Mac, I would have never thought Zappa would end up on your list! I got to see him in Miami play live when I was a kid. As a kid, I liked all of the silly songs and my friends and I were unprepared for the first half of the show, which was FZ sitting on a stool playing his guitar with band accompaniment. I'm sure that he was brilliant but we were happier after the break when the silly songs began. Now, many many years later the only Zappa I really go looking for is the instrumental, though there are also songs (usually sung by others in his band) that are quite good and NOT "silly". I don't know any other way to describe them. Frank Zappa was real rock and roll, a great guitarist, and a great bandleader.

I'm pretty sure I would still find the Mothers of Invention albums funny, at least in places. At one point they (and, a bit later, Firesign Theater) were to me and some of my friends what Monty Python became to younger people: the source of bits of apparently meaningless bits of verbiage that were always funny. You could hardly mention the word "vegetable", for instance, without someone saying "Call any vegetable" and someone else responding "And a vegetable will respond to you."

Listening to Hot Rats was the point where I accepted that he really could make good music that wasn't just funny or clever. Specifically, "Peaches En Regalia".

I always assumed Ahmet was named after Ahmet Ertegun.

And speaking of serious Zappa songs, the very first Mothers album contained one that I still think of occasionally, "Trouble Every Day," which is about racial unrest.

I'm not psychologist, but I just think Zappa was emotionally stunted in some way. No warmth, just seething anger and a lot of condescension. He's one of those people who thinks he so much of a genius that no one can understand his brilliance. Like Twisted. Have you seen the video where he played the bicycle on the Steve Allen Show? Was he serious? Who knows? Who cares?

Yes, I have seen that video. I took it as just playful. For what it's worth, I've read that he was actually quite a decent guy. I hope so. "Emotionally stunted" doesn't seem like an overstatement for some of the stuff I've heard quoted from his later lyrics.

Something to note in defense of Zappa the man: he married his wife, Gail, in 1967, when she was pregnant with Moon, and they had three more children and stayed married till his death in 1993.

Zappa also was a hero to the Czech dissidents in the 1960s and 1970s and later became a regular at 'the Castle' when Havel became president

Ever since I read this post Ive been fruitlessly trying to remember what song it is on Blonde and Blonde that is supposed to be based on Hot Rats. I cam rememer the tune of the latter and keep trying to match it to a BonB tune

People obsessed with scatological humour usually are emotionally stunted but they can sometimes be morally vety good people

I watched some interviews with him on YT when I was looking for stuff to post. He comes across as pretty likeable, really, although one of those smart people who have an overly high opinion of their own intelligence.

I wonder if that Zappa-Dylan connection you're thinking of was the other way around, because BoB came out before HR. Or maybe it was a different Dylan album?

I remember reading that Havel et. al. were big on music like Zappa's. I can well imagine that such complete irreverence would have seemed heroic to them. I didn't know they actually met, though. That's pretty cool.

Yes, I survived the last three weeks of semester by reading a biography of Havel. I think that many East Europeans were relating to a kind of de-contextualized America and even Western Europe at that time.

I am going to go and *look at my copy of Blonde on Blonde* to see what I'm trying to talk about

Listening to Zappa is apparently my response to Donald Trump being elected. I thought I remembered this post ... his guitar playing is amazing to me, I just find it like no other and it's fun to drive a car and hear his guitar at the same time. Was listening to a live version of "Trouble Every Day" on my way to work today, Mac. Also, his banter on stage and with audience members is really fun. Since this posting his widow died, can't remember when but not very long ago. May FZ's music play forever!

Funny, I listened to "Trouble Every Day" just a week or so ago. Didn't seek it out, it just happened to be on the cd full of mp3s that I had in the car. Pretty apropos.

Hot Rats was on the same cd. Zappa's guitar on "Willie the Pimp" is great. At least I assume that's him.

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