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I did not bring my computer with me on vacation and now I am kicking myself because there is so much I. Would like to say about this.

I love the creed for those reasons also. One of my favorite passages of scripture is the one where the the king says something to Hannaniah, Azariah, and Mishael like Let's see if your God will save you from the fiery furnace, and they say, Our God may save us and he may not but we're not going to bow down to your stinking Gods. ;-). More later.

AMDG

I like that passage a lot, too. I don't know if I'd have the courage to defy someone who had the power to burn me alive, but I hope I would.

The post will still be here when you get back. :-)

I am not feeling any better for knowing that these people running Pulpit and Pen exist. I know several atheists who are better than so many Christian wackos. When I say "better" I mean that they respect those of us that have faith, and do not belittle or bring us down because of our faith. Why can't Christians simply do the same for other Christians?

Sin

Yep.

I could say the same for some atheists I know or have known.

I grew up among evangelical Protestants, and while there may have been some who held fervent anti-Catholic views, I am grateful that I was never exposed to anything like that. In my world, growing up, I really never heard anyone say anything about Catholicism one way or another. When I came of age and began to take an interest in it for myself, I was able to approach it with no prejudice. Pulpit & Pen is new to me, but, based on this evidence, plays like a rather sad comedy.

A question about Divine Mercy Sunday: each year my wife likes us to do a Divine Mercy novena leading up to it, which strikes me as being witchcraft! -- Pardon me. -- which strikes me as being slightly tone-deaf. What I mean is this: the Divine Mercy novena involves praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet ("For the sake of his sorrowful Passion...") each day, but the week of Easter, of all weeks in the year, seems the one least suited to these particular prayers. It is the week during which I want to celebrate the Resurrection, to celebrate the joyful conclusion of Christ's suffering, yet this novena throws me back into Good Friday. I feel that there ought to be some other, more fitting novena for us to pray during the octave of Easter.

Anyone else feel the same way?

There was an Irish sitcom years ago about three disgraced priests exiled to Craggy Island by their bishop. Not exactly relevant, but somehow came to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptd_h0dF7NE

Growing up Protestant in the South, I absorbed a general sense that Catholicism was something foreign and more or less irrelevant, and that Protestantism and Christianity were more or less the same thing. That involved the "whig history" view of things--medieval corruption, Luther liberates the Bible, etc. But I really don't remember hearing any active anti-Catholic rhetoric--no "pope is the Antichrist stuff," etc. It was anti-Catholic in the sense that it was anti-flat-earth--it was assumed, but nobody went around fuming about flat-earthers and devoting great amounts of time to denouncing and refuting them. Maybe in some churches I would have heard that kind of thing, but I was Methodist, and we were a bit more laid-back than, say, the Baptists. I didn't have, for instance, the kind of gut-level emotional anti-Catholicism that C.S. Lewis picked up as an Ulster Protestant.

You have a point about the DM novena but I didn't see the prayers that way during Easter week, probably because I had already been saying the prayers every day for several months. They've just become part of my daily routine, not associated with anything else going on liturgically.

There has been some grumbling among the more traditionally-minded all along about the Octave of Easter being more or less replaced with Divine Mercy Sunday. I'm sympathetic to that. It does sort of crash the calendar. I guess there was a specific reason for making it that Sunday but I don't know what it was.

There's a Catholic gift shop run by the archdiocese here in Dunedin, NZ, and last year it started calling itself a "Catholic Christian" store. Have I just missed the use of that term or is it something new?

It was because Jesus told St. Faustian to make it that day.

AMDG

Oh. Well then...

"Sr. Faustian" is funny.

I've been hearing "Catholic Christian" for a long time, Marianne. Twenty years at least, maybe more.

I figured I was probably just pretty much out of it re "Catholic Christian". Thanks.

Stupid phone. I definitely rejected Faustian.

AMDG

:-)

The image of the Divine Mercy is the Resurrected Christ. So Divine Mercy is the fruit of the Resurrection. The blood and water flowing from the side of Christ is the beginning of the redemption by the Risen Christ.

The Gospel reading for Low Sunday has a focus on the Mercy of God.

Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them,"Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them,and whose sins you retain are retained."

The Gospel of John especially conflates the crucifixion and the Resurrection. It is one paschal mystery. Jesus is "raised up" on the Cross. It is his "glory."

All the readings at Mass and the Liturgy of the Hours are still the same. As a matter of fact, St. John Paul II intentionally left all the texts the same.

Yes, I was going to say something like your first paragraph, and that it is an addition, not an interruption to the celebration of Easter. When we pray the novena, we are participating in spreading the mercy that flows from the Resurrected Christ to all those groups of people that we pray for during the novena.

AMDG

I suppose I knew some of that when Divine Mercy Sunday was first instituted, but if I did I had forgotten.

I grew up reciting the Apostles Creed each Sunday in the Presbyterian Church, Mac. I still do not know the Nicene Creed by heart, and must seek it out in the missallette.

I can't say the NC without some help, either. I need at least a little starter for the various sections. It's worse now that I mostly attend the Ordinariate Mass which has a different translation.

When the new translation came around, I memorized the Creed as a Lenten penance, but I occasionally blurt out the wrong thing, like fulfillment instead of accordance.

I'm still bad on the Gloria, though. Because we usually sing it, I can sing it, but when we recite it....

AMDG

Yeah, that new translation was pretty disruptive to my partial memorization, too, even though I like it better than the old one.

"Anyone else feel the same way?"

Yes.

I can't easily recite the Nicene Creed any more because of the new translation in 2011, and I never prayed the Rosary as a child, so I don't fully have The Apostle's Creed memorised either. But I love to recite them, for similar reasons to Maclin, and also to do the renewal of Baptismal vows.

I laughed heartily at Maclin's description of the "wls"! I just encountered something similar on Youtube. Blech.

"Should we laugh at him? I'm reluctant to do that, being all ecumenical and stuff. But I think yes, we should. Pride and willful ignorance deserve mockery"

Yes, I agree.

"The funny thing about sola scriptura is that it isn't found in scripture."

I know. It's rather funny.

This resonated with me (except that I'am a cradle Catholic):

" The spirit of the age is attacking the faith from many directions now, and the notion prevails in many minds that such things as specific religious beliefs are "antiquated" and obviously not just false but ridiculous, and not just ridiculous but dangerous. This has begun to bring out in me a spirit of defiance which is energized by the increasingly stupid and wicked things the spirit of the age demands that we believe. And the more it insists, and the more power it gets, the more I will, with the help of God, resist, and keep the promises I made when I became a Catholic thirty-six years ago."

I think I have felt this way for years, but that may be because Australia is further down this track than the US. It's so much more secular there. I have increasingly felt this way since at least 2000.

People of the secularist persuasion are always talking about how ridiculous it is that the U.S. still has such a high level of religiosity. It embarrasses them. But I think it's basically a good thing (of course), even though a lot of it is sort of nutty.

I agree.

Many years ago when I used to listen to WCRV, Your Christian Radio Voice, The Bible Answer Man was one of my favorite shows because although I disagreed with some of what Hanegraaff said, he always spoke rationally and did not have a negative attitude toward the Church. Sometimes, I remember in particular when he was talking about the term Mother of God, he would defend the Church teaching. He explained the arguments for and against, and talked about Ephesus. So, I always wondered if he would eventually follow that road to Catholicism--well close. ;-) I haven't read anything that's been written about his conversion. I would like to read something from him.

Maples' description of the liturgy is ludicrous. "Absolutely no gospel," well except maybe the gospel and some other stuff. You have to be looking at the world through a very odd pair of glasses to see that.

AMDG

But I have actually become much more able to submit myself with at least some confidence to what God is permitting, and which must therefore be in some sense his will.

This is something I have really found to be true about consistent prayer. It changes us. I think I mentioned hear, or maybe on my blog, a long time ago that I had been praying St. Louis de Monfort's prayers that introduce the mysteries of the rosary for many years, and that one day I realized that God had granted me the answers to many of those prayers, even though I almost always pray them in a mechanical and distracted way. He takes us at our word, even when we aren't paying attention.

AMDG

And...um...thank God that he does. I'd certainly be pretty lost otherwise. I never have been very good at attentive prayer, but I'm reasonably persistent.

"You have to be looking at the world through a very odd pair of glasses to see that."

Yes, and more than odd. Cracked, dirty...maybe intentionally. Impossible to say how personally culpable he is for his ignorance, but he certainly seems somewhat so.

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