A puzzle, indeed
And that would certainly be an intolerable situation

The Lapsed Are Listening?

I remain skeptical of the idea that the pope's outreach to non-believers is being received as anything but a concession. Here's a writer at the New York Times who is effusive in his enthusiasm that the Church might be coming to him:

The only problem with Francis is his age. If he were 50, he might have a quarter-century to move his church up several centuries in enlightened thinking. His time is short. But what a miraculous sprint, producing this minor miracle: the lapsed are listening.

You can read the whole thing here, although you don't really need to--I mean, you've pretty much got the gist of it here. Of course one can agree with the writer that much of what Francis has been saying is good in itself. But I'll agree that he's really listening when he gives some indication that he's reconsidering his own position; there is not a trace of that in the article.

And here's another one, also in the NYT, from a Notre Dame philosophy professor (I usually feel like I should put "philosophy" in quotes):

But Pope Francis speaks of the “uncertainty” always involved in the process of spiritual discernment and emphasizes that “the great leaders of the people of God, like Moses, have always left room for doubt. You must leave room for the Lord, not for our certainties.” Here the pope shows signs of having learned what most of his recent predecessors have not: that even what we take to be divinely revealed truth is a historical construct, requiring periodic refinement and revision. The question is whether he is willing to recognize the inadequacies of the hierarchy’s dogmatic stances on sexual ethics and develop a more adequate position.

Whole thing here, but again not necessarily worth the bother, as you've heard it all before.

I didn't read very many of the comments on these pieces, but most of the ones I did read support my skepticism.

Related: John Allen has a thought similar to one that has occurred to me more than once over the past couple of months:

Over his first eight months, Francis basically has killed the fatted calf for the prodigal sons and daughters of the post-modern world, reaching out to gays, women, nonbelievers, and virtually every other constituency inside and outside the church that has felt alienated.

There are an awful lot of such prodigals, of course, which helps explain the pope's massive appeal.

Yet there are also a few Catholics today who feel a bit like the story's older son, wondering if what they've always understood as their loyalty to the church, and to the papacy, is being under-valued.

Whole thing.

I've always thought the older brother is at least as important a part of the parable as the father and the prodigal. As a one-time prodigal, now at home for more than thirty years, I'm as much in the role of the older as the younger brother. And I have asked myself if some of the reservations, including my own, about some of the pope's outreach are a manifestation of that. But in my own case there's only a bit of it. My concern is not that the father is welcoming the prodigal, but that he sometimes seems contemptuous of the other. And that the prodigal, far from being repentant, think's there's good reason to expect that the welcome feast will be held at a strip club.

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Dale Price responded to the Allen piece with a kindred observation: that the analogue for the Pope's remarks would be that the father berates the older brother and tells him he never liked him anyway.

I expect very little from clergymen, so the Pope's silliness washes over me to some extent. Mr. Price has found it wrenching.

"never liked him anyway"--yes, that's exactly the feeling.

If this were a smaller-time clergyman, I might feel the same.

You're referring no doubt to this post.

Aye.

This headline at the Telegraph caught my eye: Obama says he likes Pope Francis! Holy Mary – something's going horribly wrong here

The piece talks about how the media is doing its best to cast Pope Francis as a liberal, and then says:

Of course, all these interpretations of Francis' words are based on ignorance, bad translations and deliberate rewriting. So rather than Obama's praise being a reflection of the Pope's embrace of liberalism it's actually a reflection on how poorly the Vatican is handling his press. Francis sees his mission as being to evangelise through conversation – to meet people on their own terms and impress them into the faith through compassion and reason. The problem is that this is being interpreted as a surrender to modernity. The Pope's charity is misunderstood by people who don't know the meaning of the word.
Sure hope the author's right about it being primarily due to the Vatican not being savvy enough about the press.

"never liked him anyway": I haven't got that from anything I've read (not that I've read everything, by any means).

It arises mainly from comments which come across as belittling the pro-life and other movements of resistance toward attacks on Catholic moral ideas, and from his denunciation of proselytizing. People who've put a huge amount of work into developing institutions devoted to explaining, defending, and spreading the faith felt like he was showing contempt for the whole thing. I don't think he was, because I think he meant something different by "proselytizing," but it came across that way. I think the people who react strongly to these things are over-reacting and not really attending to the full context, but I can see why they feel that way.

And, too, "never liked you anyway" is meant to be somewhat humorous, or at least I take it that way.

I don't know about the "deliberate re-writing," Marianne, and I'm more inclined to attribute the erroneous impressions to the words of the pope himself rather than "the Vatican." But apart from that, yes, there really does seem to be a widespread misinterpretation. Let's hope it is, anyway, as you say.

It's either funny or disgusting, depending on your mood, to hear Obama praise Francis for "first and foremost thinking about how to embrace people as opposed to push them away. How to find what's good in them as opposed to condemn them." As I've said before, I long ago lost all respect for him.

What's remarkable is how Benedict XVI said a lot of similar things, but quite clearly people weren't listening. Whether it's an improvement that they're listening now but only hearing what they want to hear is an open question.

I'd say that as long as they're only hearing what they want to hear, it's definitely not an improvement. We'll have to wait and see whether that changes. I don't expect, say, a NYT writer to have a sudden conversion, but I would hope that at least there might be some openness to what the Church actually teaches, some sort of "maybe there's something worthwhile here after all." So far I haven't heard that.

I just want to know if you began writing this post with the strip club analogy in mind. :-)

No, it was a last-moment inspiration. Possibly from the Holy Spirit.:-)

Here the pope shows signs of having learned what most of his recent predecessors have not: that even what we take to be divinely revealed truth is a historical construct, requiring periodic refinement and revision. The question is whether he is willing to recognize the inadequacies of the hierarchy’s dogmatic stances on sexual ethics and develop a more adequate position.

So, for this guy it all comes down to sexual licence. Not exactly a surprise.

that the analogue for the Pope's remarks would be that the father berates the older brother and tells him he never liked him anyway.

Oh dear. That resonates. :(

And that the prodigal, far from being repentant, think's there's good reason to expect that the welcome feast will be held at a strip club.

I agree.

I love that bit about "the pope shows signs of having learned..." Very generous.:-/

Not at all patronising!

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