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I'd like to hear the Pina Colada song sung by Tom Waits.

That would be funny but I would prefer never to hear the Pina Colada song again. When it was popular the only source of music I had in my car was Top-40-type radio and I really grew to hate it.

I've very rarely listened to a CD before I buy it. I've done it once or twice, but for me it spoils the pleasure.

I vaguely remember this from the early 80's, although at the time I was paying more attention to guitar-oriented post-punk/new wave. I remember having some sort of sampler LP with an After the Fire song on it ("One Rule For You") that may have had a Hines track on it as well, but I don't think I have it any more. I will definitely have to check this out.

Speaking of music from this period, last week I watched Control, the biopic of Joy Division singer Ian Curtis, who committed suicide in 1980 at the age of 23. Very good movie, and the kid that plays Curtis totally nails it.

I was never a big JD fan back in the day, as I found them too much of a downer, but after seeing this film then going back to revisit some of the music, I can see now why they caused such a stir in their rather brief existence. They were nothing special talent-wise, but collectively they brought something to the table that was unique at the time and that a lot of subsequent acts drew upon.

Joy Division is really a pretty good comparison to Hine, not musically but emotionally and in a broad way artistically: capturing essentially unpleasant states of mind in music that grabs you.

I bought Closer, not when JD were still in existence but not all that long afterward, either, and thought it was very good but didn't necessarily want any more of it.

There's another Rupert Hine solo album, Wildest Wish to Fly, that came out not too long after Waving, and the difference is striking. It's well enough done but pretty conventional. I found the LP sometime in the mid-'80s and grabbed it, but was mostly disappointed.

Grumpy, you're more free with your money than I am.

I know, its a fault. I'm too free with money. But I do love the pleasure of opening a new Album and listening to it! To me that ranks above the CDs that get tossed because I don't like them.

I remember that feeling. :-) Actually I do still buy some things unheard, but I have to have a pretty high expectation that I'll like them. I bought Leonard Cohen's last album without hearing it, for instance. For mp3s that I get from emusic.com I at least listen to the 30-second samples before deciding.

Can't you go to youtube and listen to all of most albums? Then decide.

Yes, that's the kind of thing I meant when I said most people don't buy without hearing. Actually a whole lot of people don't even buy music anymore, just stream it on Spotify. I think actually I saw the whole Waving Not Drowning album on YouTube when I was looking for specific songs. But I suspect the artists don't get even a penny from it.

The CD version of Waving Not Drowning that's available on Amazon is one of these print-on-demand CDR things. I see those fairly often but have never bought one.

My library has a couple Hine albums but not WND. They do however have a concert from 1982 on DVD.

And no label listed. And no mp3 version. I wonder if it's available as a more official release in the UK. It's available as mp3 on eMusic, but that's a subscription service. Looking at that entry now, I see the label is listed as Misplaced/The Orchard. The Orchard is a digital distributor. I'm almost certain that it used to be credited to Resurgent or Voiceprint or Resurgent/Voiceprint, which I think do reissues of out-of-print stuff they consider worth preserving. I can't find much trace of their existence on the net now, so perhaps they folded. Though I see a few Voiceprint releases on eMusic.

I see some clips from a concert in Sweden on YouTube. Maybe the same one as the DVD. I listened to a couple of them and although they were well done some of the flavor is missing, presumably due to the inability to recreate all the studio stuff live. Like that thing I mentioned about his voice.

Amazon UK has a 2001 Voiceprint release available. This is most likely the source of the Amazon US CD-R version. Maybe Voiceprint didn't sell it over here for some reason, but gave Amazon the right to reproduce it? I dunno.

I will usually sample an album before I buy it, if possible. eMusic and iTunes both allow you to play excerpts, and I suppose YouTube does too, though most of the music I buy is not on there.

In the old days, when I would go to the CD store to buy music, I would usually ask to listen to it beforehand. They had a private listening station, or would play it on the store's overhead sound system.

I signed up for Spotify, and I find it useful to listening to records that I'm curious about, but if I really like it then I buy it.

I have a Spotify account for the same reason, but I rarely use it, because I don't want to put their app on my phone and the Windows app is horrendously cumbersome. I'm waiting for Pandora to launch their promised on-demand service based on technology they bought from Rdio (which I loved).

I'm glad to find out I wasn't delusional about RH being on Voiceprint.

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