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That is all a lot of fun, Janet!

Chesterton 1, Darwin 0.

I've never heard "Old Dutch" used that way. Wasn't sure exactly what it meant but figured I had the general idea from the context. Took me a while to find any applicable info: most references seem to be either to the language or to various commercial products using the name.


Good ol' GKC!

Then their's this:... an 1880s colloquialism for a partner or friend. The phrase has a number of etymologies; two Cockney rhyming slang explanations identify the phrase as coming from "dutch plate" ("mate") or "Duchess of Fife" ("wife").


That Oxford link just says "short for 'duchess'".

I guess the use of the term for commercial products somehow ties back into this meaning. There's a local ice cream shop called Old Dutch and I've wondered why. It only goes back to the '60s though. Maybe it's a term that would have been familiar to our parents or grandparents.

When I was a kid my grandparents and elderly aunts and uncles sometimes used "dutch" as a synonym for "trouble." Doesn't seem to apply here, though.

That's another one which always puzzled me: "in dutch." Not sure when I figured out that the Coasters were saying "She'll get you in dutch" about Poison Ivy ("You can look but you better not touch"). I must have read it somewhere and made the connection.

The Oxford English Dictionary lists a lot of “Dutch” expressions, which it says often have “an opprobrious or derisive application, largely due to the rivalry and enmity between the English and Dutch in the 17th century”. Here are a few I’ve never heard of:

Dutch auction -- 1859 G. A. Sala Twice round Clock 21 The sale is conducted on the principle of what is termed a ‘Dutch auction’, purchasers not being allowed to inspect the fish in the doubles before they bid.

Dutch bargain -- 1654 R. Whitlock Ζωοτομία 28 The contract..is not (like Dutch Bargains) made in Drinke.

Dutch concert -- 1774 D. Barrington in Philos. Trans. (Royal Soc.) 63 267 What is commonly called a Dutch concert, when several tunes are played together.

Dutch feast -- 1785 F. Grose Classical Dict. Vulgar Tongue Dutch feast, where the entertainer gets drunk before his guests.

Dutch palate -- 1687 J. Norris Coll. Misc. To Rdr. sig. a4v Fit only for a Tavern entertainment, and that too among Readers of a Dutch palate.

Dutch reckoning -- 1699 B. E. New Dict. Canting Crew Dutch-Reckoning, or Alte-mall, a verbal or Lump-account without particulars.

Those are really funny. Shouldn't there be an even more extensive set of anti-French things?

"got defensive of the poor fat white woman, because, you know, I am one."

Hm, not according to my memory.

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