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Guardini's The Lord had a profound influence on me when was in my twenty's, and I've been meaning to get it out and reread it for years (I'm now in my mid seventy's). His connection to Ratzinger is crucial (the next profound influence was Ratzinger's Introduction to Christianity). And also with von Balthazar who so sorely lamented the divorce of mystical and fundamental theology at some point in the late middle ages. All the great early saints and founders of orders were profound theologians who never for a minute stepped outside the mystery. For them it was always "faith seeking understanding" as St. Anselm put it. He (von Balthasar)is famous for his dictum that theology is only done correctly "on one's knees." It's hard for me to imagine a serious theologian who doesn't go to Mass every day.

I think what Pope Francis values in Guardini are some of Guardini's ideas about the social realm. At least that's what I pick up in some of what's in the book The Mind of Pope Francis: Jorge Mario Bergoglio's Intellectual Journey. You can see some of its pages at Google Books; here's a bit:

There is no question that the thought of Romano Guardini and his concept of concrete-living serves as an essential reference point. Bergoglio found in Guardini a "synthetic," "integral" model, a "catholic" paradigm similar to his own, capable of explaining and embracing the principal personal/social/political contrasts that tend to crystallize into dialectical contradictions that fuel dangerous conflicts.
You can see this emphasis in an address that Francis gave to a meeting of the Romano Guardini Foundation in 2015:
I am certain that Guardini is a thinker who has much to say to the people of our time, and not only to Christians. You are carrying out this project with your foundation, bringing Guardini’s thought into a polyphonic dialogue in the spheres of today’s politics, culture and science. I earnestly hope for the success of this endeavour. ...

Guardini says that, by “humbly accepting existence from the hand of God, personal will transforms into divine will and in this way, without the creature ceasing to be only a creature and God truly God, their living unity is brought about”.... This is Guardini’s profound vision.

For Guardini this “living unity” with God consists in the concrete relationships of individuals with the world and with those around them. The individual feels interwoven within a people, namely, in an “original union of men that by species, country and historical evolution in life and in their destinies are a unique whole”.

Well, that rather dampens my enthusiasm. I mean, there's nothing actually wrong with it, I guess, but...[yawn].

Cyrus, I'm pretty sure I'd like von B a lot, too. And on the basis of the little I've read I do. But he wrote so much that I've sort of abandoned the idea of getting very far into his work.

I plan to read Ratzinger's Intro, though. I think I bought it a few years ago...or did I?...yes, I see it on the shelf now.

And by the way:

Guardini says that, by “humbly accepting existence from the hand of God, personal will transforms into divine will....

Presumably that's a translation from Guardini's German. I really doubt that he wrote "transforms into" rather than "is transformed into." I see this all the time now and it really bugs me.

My favorite of Balthasar's is his small book "Heart of the World." I often think of it as more of a poem that a theological treatise.

Ha! That happens to be one of the two of his books that I've read. It was many years ago and I liked it a lot, and have always intended to re-read it.

The other one btw was Dare We Hope.

Yes, Dare We Hope. I never understood all the controversy over that book. The same people who complain that he is a universalist say that Fatima prayer between every decade of their Rosary ("lead ALL souls to heaven..."). All he really said was that we have a duty to HOPE for all, and can never say we KNOW that there is a single soul in hell.

Right. I never have understood why anyone who says the Fatima prayer can object to the book. I suspect some have not actually read it but have just heard from someone else that vB is a universalist.

Since he is described as a universalist I can see why Catholics would dislike von B. If he’s not a universalist, we should probably be informed.

He's not--"described as", not "is". At least on the basis of that book, he is not. It's as Cyrus says above. But apparently some people (who as I said I suspect haven't read the book) started calling him a universalist (everyone *will* be saved).

One can reasonably argue that he goes too far in even holding out the possibility that everyone will be saved, but in that case the Fatima prayer is also heterodox, which would certainly call the whole Fatima thing into question.

Bishop Robert Barron wrote the foreword in the 2014 Ignatius Press edition of Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved?; here's some of it:

The most striking and original contribution that Balthasar makes to this discussion, I believe, is his critique of Thomas Aquinas’s view—shared widely in the classical tradition—that part of the joy of heaven is to witness the sufferings of the damned. To this he contrasts the approach of a surprising number of saints and mystics, who declared a willingness to suffer on behalf of a denizen of Hell or even, at the limit, to take his or her place as a gesture of love. The prototype here is St. Paul himself, who says in the ninth chapter of Romans: “I wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my own people, my kindred according to the flesh” (Rom. 9:3). The possibility that his fellow Jews might be separated from Christ does not awaken in Paul anything even vaguely resembling gloating self-satisfaction, or even delight in the divine justice, but rather a mercy that conduces to utter self-sacrifice.

Balthasar draws our attention to a number of female mystics who share this Pauline attitude: Mechtild of Hackeborn, Angela Foligno, Therese of Lisieux, and Catherine of Siena. A conversation between Christ and Catherine is especially illuminating. Fired by the hope that all people might be saved, Catherine said to Jesus, “How could I ever reconcile myself, Lord, to the prospect that a single one of those whom you have created in your image and likeness should become lost and slip from your hands?” The answer that the Lord gives her, confided to her spiritual director Raymond of Capua, is breathtaking: “Love cannot be contained in Hell; it would totally annihilate Hell.” In other words, the love that Catherine is exhibiting, precisely through her hope that all be saved, functions as an antidote to the poison, or according to her own metaphor, an obstacle to the entrance of Hell. She tells her Lord, “If I could remain united with you in love while, at the same time, placing myself before the entrance of Hell and blocking it off in such a way that no one could enter, that would be the greatest of joys for me.”

Well, you know, vB did call the whole Fatima thing into question. I don't, though.


I didn't know that. But presumably it wasn't because of that prayer, since it fits with his views.

Thanks for posting that, Marianne. It's very illuminating. That teaching of St. Thomas has always bothered me. I can sort of almost see it as an acknowledgement of God's perfect justice, but still...I'm glad to have some support for the other view from other saints and theologians.

In his book, von Balthasar clearly distinguishes between universalism and a hope for all. At one point he clearly indicates the reality of hell, but he restricts the fear of hell to oneself. He uses the metaphor of "knowing others are there" as a looking over God's shoulder to see the cards in his hand. Something forbidden to us. I've always thought that the mystery of the perfect unity of justice and mercy in God is just as deep as the mystery of the perfect unity of humanity and divinity in Christ. As Gabriel Marcel would put it: "It's not a problem, it's a mystery."

D.B. Hart has a book coming out this fall in which he argues for some sort of universalism. Will be interesting to say the least.

Yeah, I've heard some rumblings about that. I think he published an excerpt or something. I didn't read it. Given the way he comes across in his writings, it's not too surprising to me that he would be undeterred by charges of heterodoxy.

"[vB] clearly indicates the reality of hell, but he restricts the fear of hell to oneself. " Which seems a healthy way to look at it.

"I've always thought that the mystery of the perfect unity of justice and mercy in God is just as deep as the mystery of the perfect unity of humanity and divinity in Christ. " Yes. I always figured that if Aquinas *is* right, then we would come to see it in just that way. It's the horror of the possibility that God would be unjust that bothers us, and I think we can set aside that possibility and trust him.

"It's the horror of the possibility that God would be unjust that bothers us, and I think we can set aside that possibility and trust him."

Ironically enough it's Hart's little book on the tsunami that really nailed that for me.

A close friend whose opinion I value highly recommended that book *very* strongly to me not long after it came out. But I haven't read it.

It's a great little book. Hart draws a lot on Dostoevsky, and his take on Ivan's argument against God in Bros. K. really helped my understandings of both theology and Dost'y. I haven't read the latter the same way since.

A condensed version of argument of Hart's book is contained in an article he wrote for First things here:

Thanks, I'll read that. And probably the book. Hart is always an enjoyable as well as interesting read.

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