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05/04/2019

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What is the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears?

I am beginning to think those three monkeys had something going for them.

AMDG

I hear you. ;-)

Well said, Mac. I enjoy your blog, though I often see things differently. Mine is what some might call a more liberal world view, but I can appreciate where you are coming from. Your statement here is a good example of a more reasoned and circumspect stance that is refreshing in a world where reason often gives way to shouting matches with no one really listening.

Thank you. That's good to hear. I feel like I'm in danger of snarling at people for snarling at each other, and hunting for heresy of heresy-hunting. :-)

I was surprised to see Nichols' name on the list of signatories. This seems to me to be quite out of keeping with the care a theologian should take in these matters, even if one agrees with the substance, the means seems to me to be counterproductive, at least.
Here is a good commentary from Jimmy Akins. He explains why it is defective from a canon law perspective.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/on-charging-a-pope-with-heresy

I saw some back-and-forth about Akins's piece on Facebook, but I didn't read the piece itself. Like I said I'm not going to get involved in the basic controversy. No standing, no competence. I do tend to think that it's a tactical mistake, even if the charges are valid. I can't see it having much effect beyond agitating people for a while.

I've read a couple of pieces on the letter that made the same point as this one made by Fr. Thomas Petri, who's at the Dominican House of Studies in D.C.:

Why they chose not only to include these concerns but also to veer into criticism on pro forma appointments, disciplinary measures, and liturgical vestiture as “facts” supporting their conclusion (which seems to deride the Pope’s character more than his teaching) is beyond me.

More reason to wonder why Nichols is involved.

I am reminded of the story of Noah's sons throwing a blanket over their naked a drunk father and backing out of the tent with averted eyes. Do we have to say these things "outside the family?" If I thought I saw my father sinning, I would go to him and not publish an accusatory letter. I have reservations about Pope Francis and what I see as the sowing of confusion in the flock, but he is my Father in the Faith. It seems to me that the letter in question sows only more discord.

If it isn't, that's because it isn't getting all that much attention. Or maybe I should say respect. Not as much of either as the signers presumably intended--at least as far as I've noticed, which is not all that far.

When judging the seemliness of the letter, it is well to remember that this letter is an escalation. Much the same group, as I understand, was behind the more temperate (but perhaps also badly judged) "filial correction" from three years ago. Maybe it's the wrong thing to do, and the wrong thing to say, but it hasn't come out of nowhere, and might have been dealt with more forthrightly by Church authorities at an earlier stage.

Ed Feser wrote what I think is a sensible commentary on the letter: he argues that it is ill-judged on the whole, but nonetheless makes several valid and important points, and would have been more effective if the "heresy" charge had been left out of it.

Oh, there's no doubt that Francis is responsible for the situation. Since I'm on my phone that's all I'll say for now.

I sort of wonder why they did it. I mean, surely they know that no minds were going to be changed. I guess Feser's idea that they just wanted to get into the historical record is plausible.

It isn't bringing out the best in many people. Robert mentioned Jimmy Akins's rebuttal. This morning I saw something putatively from Fr. Rutler about Akins. It was awful--horribly snide and condescending, especially toward his lack of academic qualifications. But Akins kind of asked for it by disparaging the academic qualifications of the signers. Sigh.

It occurs to me that this is all an expression of Francis's emphasis on mercy. He was grieved by the fact that theological progressives have not been in a good position to respond in kind to the charges of heresy and general heterodoxy against them. He's made it possible for them to join the fun and get a little of their own back.

Correction: "that they just wanted to get IT into the historical record." The statement, not themselves.

Sorry to hear about Fr Rutler's comments. Condescension, I fear, must be one of his besetting sins. It can be funny at times, though obviously not always.

I read Jimmy Akins' rebuttal of the letter. He made some good points, but his argument that the "heresy" charge is invalid had obvious problems and left me scratching my head. I hope somebody else gives a better argument.

It also struck me as sort of funny (in a grim way) that his attempted rebuttal of the letter relied on the making of fine distinctions and careful application of legal standards. Not very "pastoral" in the putatively Franciscan vein. Gosh, maybe legalism has its uses after all!

I don't know. It's a really dispiriting state of affairs.

Extremely.

My brain is conflating Dawn's last name into Edelstein.

AMDG

Umm...who's Edelstein?

Scrolling down through the list of web pieces at First Things, I saw this opening sentence:

"The fact that Pope Francis articulates his positions in an ambiguous manner makes it almost impossible to accuse him rightly of heresy. "

I'm not going to read the article now, maybe not at all, but that sentence probably sums up the whole thing very well. It's from Fr. Thomas Weinandy, who if I remember correctly challenged the pope a while back.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/is-pope-francis-a-heretic

It's a contraction of Eden and Goldstein. It just appeared in my brain and won't go away. That is what I "see" when I see her name.

AMDG

Oh, I see. If you'd said "names" I might have gotten it. All I could think of was Julian Edelman (a football player). Then I started trying to figure out if it was some movie or novel character we'd been discussing.

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