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03/13/2020

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I’ve been spending too much time online, but those clips pretty much sum up how I’m feeling. I flew from NY to Florida Thursday (not the best choice I ever made). People down here don’t seem too panicked. Back home the stores are bare. My son, who just drove from CA to NY (we really know how to time our travel) has been our shopping for us. Then he’s heading to New Jersey and avoiding us for at least 2 weeks.

How are people reacting where you are (to anyone reading)? The media is in full frenzy mode. And our friend Rod is certainly all in.. Along with a lot of Trad Catholic Twitter. (This may come as a shock, but Twitter isn’t good for people’s mental health).

I'm in a Wyoming city (23,000) which is probably smaller than where most of you are. Lots of activity at the grocery stores and Walmart, my school is closing for two weeks to the students, then re-opening online (except for many disciplines apparently, which is causing confusion). The Bishop of Cheyenne sent instructions out to clergy, then my parish priest condensed those on our FB page. I have to say, I know it is Lent, but I'm no longer wild about the idea of gathering with people in a small space like a church these days. Of course the congregation is on the old side, as most are, who should probably just stay home. Will see what it is like tomorrow. Sigh.

Totally normal in South Bend. Someone at the gym told me there is panic buying on the south side of town. She also said that if the manufacturers of a product got sick, or the truck drivers, the supply chain could break down. So after the gym my lidger and I went to the supermarket. The carpark was not full at about 8.45 and the only item sold out is sanitizer. With two humans, two golden retrievers one pregnant, and a cat, we have enough food and tp for a month, I reckon though there would be a lot of rice and beans in that month. All the regulars at the gym and disc golf course.

Our Bishop Rhoades has a good solution, which is to relieve everyone of mass obligations while asking that the normal mass schedule continue. Cupich in Chicago cancelled all liturgy. We are holding Byz cath masses but stopping the extra lent stuff like the Akathist ceremony. I heard on the radio that all gatherings over 150 are banned, but my lidger and I dont think that touched the Greek Orthodox or Byz Caths - too few of us. I need to check on a famous hypochondriac and make sure he is ok.
Betcha he wont be up for a movie this weekend!

My two conferences over the next fortnight, at Wheaton and U of Dallas have been cancelled.

Grad student who went home for Spring break writes, poignantly, that ‘up state new york is out of tp and all civilized substitutes’

Pretty much the same here. Went to the grocery store yesterday afternoon and it was fairly busy, but I was thinking that it usually is on Fridays. So I asked the cashier if it was busier than usual and she just said "Oh my god..."

I'm laughing at all these people apparently thinking the anti-bacterial stuff is going to protect them. I doubt it's any more effective than ordinary soap.

I feel like either I've lost touch with reality, or a lot of our pundits have. Dreher is an instance. "unprecedented national catastrophe". What?!? And more than one has pronounced this the end of Trump's presidency. Even if you accept at face value the claims that Trump has done a bad job of dealing with this, it's not like people are dying by the thousands. Or even hundreds, last I heard.

My own suspicion about Trump's responsibility is that he's not as much to blame as his enemies say, nor as blameless as his friends say. It's *really* hard to sort that out, as has been the case all along with his presidency.

Anyway, it seems like most of the chattering classes and a fair number of ordinary people have just completely lost it.

The focus on Trump is yet another piece of evidence that too many people now look at the president as the All-Father, looking after mortal men, his children.

I think I might be in the “just completely lost it” category. I just don’t want to be in the just completely got it category :).

New Zealand has just imposed "the world's tightest border controls to combat the spread of Covid-19 coronavirus". One of which is banning cruise ships until June 30. Dunedin, where I live, usually has hundreds, sometimes thousands, of cruise ship passengers walking around town, going into shops, and other places. Relieves my anxiety a bit, although I'm still staying pretty much at home.

I expect you'll be fine. I think there's a good chance that this will one day be an entry in some future edition of Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

I don't know if there is really something Im just missing or if people are going crazy about this. If its true that 70 thousand people died in the USA last year from flu, imagine if every death, and the rising number of deaths, was on the front page of every newspaper and the TV news. Two or three weeks ago, when it was still mainly in China, I asked one of my PhD students why the markets were the tanking over this, when so many more people die each year of 'ordinary' flu. He said because the coronavirus had the ability to disrupt supply chains - because Wuhan is the factory of the world. But now its not just about markets tanking. Its about Spain and Italy in quarantine. I appreciate that 6 thousand people have died of this virus, and each of these people were someone's brother or sister or mother, father, aunt etc. But 6 thousand is the number who died of flue in just over a month last year, if 70 thousand really did die of flu last year.

So Im not getting something. I appreciate there's no vaccination and no immunity, because its a novel virus.

At the same time, oddly enough, I did see from the beginning, in China, that this was a huge and fascinating mystery. From the beginning there were crazy legends about the virus, like people saying it escaped from the bio lab in Wuhan. There was something 'science fiction' about it, but true science fiction. I said so on facebook, to the annoyance of some of my close acquaintance who think flu and Lymm disease are a lot, lot worse, killing people and silently destroying lives every day.

So in one way, I don't understand why all the universities in America have shut down, but in another way I do see that somehow the virus is a mysterium tremendum et fascinans. Unlike nearly all the main diseases, from measles to cancer, we have no control over it.

It is true that traffic is really down - all day its been like the middle of a game on a home game day.

Informative piece at Vox: "Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse."

I have no doubt that it's a serious thing. I also have no doubt that there is a lot of hysteria and over-reaction going on. I don't know where the proper degree of concern on a 1-10 scale is. It's really, really hard to sort it all out if you don't want to spend hours and hours on it.

Someone said to me yesterday that the effort to keep people from being exposed ought to be focused on the ones who are most likely to die or have a really serious hospitalization-required illness from it, meaning the elderly and those who are weakened for other reasons. I think that makes a lot of sense. Not shut down every school, cancel every event, etc, but try to keep the vulnerable more or less self-quarantined. The potential bad effects of shutting down or drastically restricting almost everything--like grocery store deliveries--are potentially a *lot* worse than the health risks to younger, healthier people.

But then I don't hear people talk about keeping truck drivers and grocery store employees at home. There's kind of an implicit assumption that the peasantry will just have to keep going.

" somehow the virus is a mysterium tremendum et fascinans."

Yes, sort of like an actual zombie invasion. For some people probably it has a zombie-movie-like thrill--they don't really believe they're going to be eaten, and it's kind of exciting.

There's also a Walker Percy kind of thing going on: the heightening of everyday reality in the face of some shock or danger.

I do think it's pretty serious.

I am distressed by the fact that churches seem to be among the first casualties. And you would never guess from my Facebook newsfeed that it's Lent. In previous years, my newsfeed was flooded with Lenten images, meditations, etc.

AMDG

A few days ago, we went to Kroger and aside from there being no hand sanitizer it was pretty much the same as ever. There was even a flat of toilet paper in the aisle, and one of Clorox wipes. Tonight we stopped by after Mass for a few things, and the shelves were more than half empty. No TP, no flour, no dry milk. The first Clicklist reservation available is two days away. This is rural Mississippi.

AMDG

Marianne Ive read that piece.

I do understand that they need to slow the spread of the disease to prevent hospitals being overwhelmed.

Its a good thing Im not on facebook because of Lent. Id be blocked my half my acquaintance for not getting it

Preventing the hospitals from being overwhelmed seems like the most important thing, big picture-wise.I'm wondering about going to Mass today. Should I just stay home except to get food?

The hand sanitizer thing is misguided. The CDC guidelines say to use it if soap and water are not available.I'm seeing mention of people using sanitizer so much that their skin starts cracking.

My parish announced yesterday that today will be the final Masses until I think April. So I'm going to the 6pm tonight to pray with everyone and also try and remain a safe distance!

Our parish church is small and packed to the gills, so we went to a larger church for 6PM Mass last night. That Mass is not heavily attended, and I knew there would be room for people to spread out, which there was.

I don't know if we will go again. It really makes me sad.

I hope the priests continue to say Mass even if the public cannot come. The idea of the Sacrifice not being offered in this time of trouble chills me to the bone.

AMDG

As of now our regular schedule is still operative, but the archbishop has said,in effect, use your own judgement about whether to attend or not:You're dispensed if you are sufficiently concerned about your health or that of others. I don't have any doubt that priests will continue to say Mass even if the churches are closed,though I guess maybe not necessarily in the church itself.

Kevin Williamson,almost always interesting:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-notes-from-the-great-plague/

I am kind of interested to see if we end up with more money left this month than we would have had if we were working.

Basically, this is just giving me a good
excuse for doing what I want to do anyway. Maybe I will get back to reading my library.

AMDG

As you know, I'm off Facebook for Lent, but my wife tells me that she's seen more than one post from introverts saying "I've been preparing all my life for this."

Yes, a young guy at work (who was not present today at Byz Catholic mass) says the time for germophobes like him has come, and a silent guy who looks the other way when people pass him in the corridor told a colleague 'now Norwegian introverts can have their moment'.

Clearly I have a way below normal need for ordinary human contact. For the past four years now I've been alone all day every day during the week, and never once have I wished there was someone around to talk to or whatever.

During the week?

AMDG

Yes, thank you. I was thinking "except for the weekend" at the same time as "during the week."

You will be happy to know that Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson are eating Vegemite while suffering from coronavirus.

My phone tells me such weird things.

AMDG

Do they like it?

Didn't say, but maybe Google will let me know tomorrow.

AMDG

Here in Western Pa. most people seem to be taking it in stride and using their heads. The schools and some non-necessary things have closed for two weeks, and folks are being encouraged to stay home when possible. Seems like they're giving everything two weeks then will re-evaluate. I don't see much evidence of actual panic, but there are people who are buying more stuff than they have to. Even so, as of yesterday afternoon there was still a lot of food on the shelves, especially canned goods. Toilet paper, bottled water, and hand sanitizer are in short supply, but there's a lot of soap, both liquid and bar. So far in Western Pa. there are only five confirmed cases. As expected, the Philly area has had the most cases, but even there it's not terrible.

That's more or less the same as here. And yet you read reports from doctors like the ones Dreher quotes here:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/coronavirus-christian-country-doctor/

and you think that anyone who isn't reacting like Homer in the above clip is in denial. Reacting emotionally, I mean--better not to actually run around screaming.

Yeah, I don't get it. Being realistic and prepared is one thing. But panic helps no one.

The paranoia is beginning to take hold on me now. I just ran an errand which involved touching things that have been touched by other people. I'm now wondering if, on getting home, I should have gone inside, washed my hands, reversed my steps wiping down everything I touched on the way in, and then the door handles, steering wheel, and other surfaces in my car.

This is going to play havoc with people who already have serious neuroses about cleanliness, hand-washing, and so forth.

My Polish cleaning lady us coming on wednesday. Sounded surprised to be asked. . DG

Hope she doesn't kill you, or you her.

Went to the grocery store last night to stock up a little more. There are still lots of imperishables -- canned goods, pasta, that sort of thing, and lots of fresh fruits and vegetables. Still no toilet paper, but paper towels and bottled water seem to be back. When the paper towels were all gone over the weekend I just bought paper napkins instead, which were in good supply (and still are).

Pretty similar here. The toilet paper panic is sort of funny.

Yeah, I don't really get it. It's not like it's a dysentery pandemic.

It's because you are men.

:-)

"I hope the priests continue to say Mass even if the public cannot come." They have to. There are intentions and stipends.

I think this is all surreal. I've been telling people that it is like being in the movie, Inception.

For me, protecting the vulnerable and "flattening the curve" is the main thing. It isn't about me not getting it, although I am technically in the high-risk category (I'm 60).

Our bishop has cancelled all public masses. It is going to be very hard emotionally not to go to Mass until after April 3. We went this morning (the last public mass at the local parish) and people cried at the end.

My school is going all online. I'm working from home (I'm an administrator, plus I'm a mentor for faculty who are converting their courses to online.). It was sad leaving work yesterday knowing I won't see people again for weeks.

My son is coming home from the university for the rest of the school year--going all online.

My daughter, who is a senior at a Catholic university, is done because she was student teaching. Now she just sits and waits until whatever, since there will be no graduation ceremony. Her college career fizzles out. Everyone is leaving now. All events have been cancelled.

My main emotional reaction is sadness, but then again I'm a melancholic! What do you expect?

I went to Aldi on Saturday. All normal except no toilet paper. Things seemed normal at the big box hardware store, also. Fast food restaurants are going to all-drive-through.

I have a lot more time on my hands now. It will be easier to get the garden in and the taxes done. And to help my son with home schooling.

I saw a post on Babylon Bee, the headline being, "Homeschoolers To Continue Quarantining Themselves From Everything Like Always." It is really funny. I don't know if Mac wants us to put links in his comments.

That was funny, Robert (the Babylon Bee piece). I texted it to a few people that have that experience and will laugh.

Kind of funny, and I know there are homeschoolers like that, but I am not sure I knew many. A friend's husband used to call us all Roamschoolers.

AMDG

I saw that headline but didn't read the piece. Thought the headline was basically the joke. I didn't take it to be negative but I guess it is, sort of. "Roamschoolers" is funny.

The Bee is really pretty consistently funny. I looked just now and saw

Italy Totally Fine Thanks to Universal Health Care

Man Glad Science Has Finally Affirmed His Natural Instinct To Stay As Far Away From Other People As Possible

Posting links is fine, btw.

I think it was spoofing the stereotype.

A couple of hours ago I got a text saying that the Perpetual Adoration chapel is going to be closed until further notice. There go my Friday nights.

Then a little while ago I heard that the archbishop has announced there will be no more Masses until at least Palm Sunday. So I'm about to go to the last daily Mass at my local parish.

And there's a news story going round about the possibility that this would need to go on for 12 to 18 months. No way. You can't just order society to stop breathing for that long, not and preserve anything like the normal order of things.

I am going to interrupt the gloom and doom to say that this morning I got a call offering me a chance to win a free cruise in return for taking a survey. I almost choked.

AMDG

Bon voyage!

My phone wanted to change “Bon” to “Non,” which I guess is more appropriate.

We heard today that the University is closing down all masses on Campus. So no more Byzantine Catholic mass. I can hardly believe - no more mass. Im not sure about elsewhere - down to now, the Bishop Rhoades has lifted the obligation to attend mass but wants the normal mass schedule to continue. Im not sure if that will change with the 'ten person' rule.

I didn't realize that all restaurants in Indiana had closed until my neighbour told me his son has lost his job at Corndance. I thought the quietness around was more voluntary than that.

Dog park still full of people today, everyone chatting, not much social distancing.

A friend of mine's son is a doctor, and he told her that in fact Covid 19 does give people the runs. So there is a real reason for stocking up on TP.

Oh my gym shut down as of last night. So all the elements of my normal life are gone.

Don't you think Mac that Dreher is looking about right with 'unprecedented national catastrophe'?

Its not looking like such an exaggeration today - not in the USA or in the UK or on the continent of Europe. Its not the disease, its the cure for the disease.

With all the restaurants and bars and cinemas closing, and so many small businesses just shutting up for good, it is difficult to see how there cannot be an enormous number of bankruptcies, and a massive recession to follow.

I like Romney's idea of giving everyone a thousand bucks - I would spend it in my favourite small businesses in about four hours.

And eventually we are going to owe China, not just the Corona Virus but a trillion trillion dollars.

Dreher has one-upped it today, relating a dream about how everyone in the world is going to die. Sheesh.

! I missed that.

"Don't you think Mac that Dreher is looking about right with 'unprecedented national catastrophe'?" I might argue with "unprecedented," but yeah, definitely looking a lot more that way. And as you say the cure (or prevention) is now looking worse than the disease.

This can't go on for all that long before people start saying "I've had enough. Let the damned thing run its course, and if a lot of old people die, I'm sorry, but we can't just shut down the country indefinitely out of concern for them." And I would agree with them, even though I'm officially one of those old people.

Mac, Im not sure. In the UK they began (a few weeks ago) with the strategy of slowing down the spread of the virus rather than 'stopping' or suppressing the virus altogether. The idea was supposed to be that 1) you cannot quarantine people indefinitey, 2) if we could make it peak later we could prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed, and 3) if the virus spread slowly some people would develop 'herd immunity.' It sounded ok to me.

This strategy has been abandoned. The problem is that the number of deaths risked by this strategy is too high. They say that the 'slow it down' as against 'suppress' strategy risks a million people dying.

I agree that quarantine won't work indefinitely because people will need to go out and socialize (look at the dog park! - people don't do that just for their dogs' enjoyment). Everyone heard the news reports about the young people on the beach in Florida and partying for spring break in Carolina. A young nitwit interviewed on the radio said 'we are not afraid'. O boy, it is not about your psychology, duh, its about a virus. Parties of young Italians are being broken up by the police. The South Koreans, who have been under quarantine, I guess since February, are refusing to stay put. Even outside of the problem that America is going bankrupt, people will not stay put for too long. What 'too long' is, is anyone's guess. Pascal said all the problems in the world stem from the fact that people cannot sit quiety in their rooms. He must have known perfectly well its incredibly boring sitting quietly in your room.

Im still sticking to not reading political articles - no Spectator, no DT! No Morning Dispatch. No Remnant podcast, no Commentary podcast! The idea at the beginning of lent was that I could read about the Coronavirus because, at that point, I needed to figure out whether or not I could buy a ticket to France. We know I did, and made a bad decision, apparently (unless there's a miracle cure like in the vampire movies - they never do a year of testing in the vampire movies). Its too late to stop reading about the coronavirus now! Over the week-end I cracked and read some newletters in my gmail box by David French and Erik Erickson about the coronavirus. Both of them were about our Biblical duty to the old and how it is not open to question. They don't discuss what we do about very long periods of quarantine that bankrupt the economy. I guess that will come. I've got at least one podcast from Commentary in my inbox which advertizes itself as being about how quarantine does not work. Well, its Lent, and I didn't even listen to my own podcast when it came out. I don't need to listen to Pod and Noah Rothman saying what I already know.

Im going to confess I did read the Caitlin Flanagan piece about Harry & M. I shouldn't have done - it was clearly not about the coronavirus! I was just glad that she said they went too far with their demands.

I've stopped reading Dreher, at least his COVID-19 posts. It's arch-negative bubblethink, just as the deniers are in hyper-positive bubblethink. I'm sticking largely to what we're getting from the CDC and local and state government health departments. I really don't need to be told that this is the end of the world any more than I need to hear that nothing's happening and it's all mass hysteria. The truth as per usual resides somewhere between the two extremes.

I'm a little confused about the whole "flatten the curve" thing. Seems to me that efforts to both slow it down and suppress it are part of that strategy. Am I missing something?

Im confused about it too Rob G. I feel like I can understand it when my English stepfather was explaining it to me on the phone but I could never explain it to anyone else which is always a bad sign

Both David French and Erik Erkikkson seem to be trying to navigate a mean between the crazies on the left who think its all the president's fault and we can't say it came from China, and the loons on the right who think the Koreans sent it here deliberately. They are hearing the rightwing stuff from their evangelical friends. As Mac said, it has become difficult to read about the Coronavirus now without reading about politics.

My parish priest here in Rock Springs is having Mass live at 7 am each morning on Facebook. Just got done watching it.

"trying to navigate a mean between the crazies on the left who think its all the president's fault and we can't say it came from China, and the loons on the right who think the Koreans sent it here deliberately."

Indeed. And I don't think we can discount the interest of the left in making things seem, and to some extent be, as bad as possible leading up to the election. They've been desperately attempting to get rid of Trump since the moment the election went his way. Which doesn't mean the danger isn't real, it just means that has to be taken into account in the attempt to figure out what's really going on.

Certainly, obviously, we have a "Biblical duty to the old." But tradeoffs are just part of life. The inevitable example: think how many lives would be saved if the speed limit everywhere was 20mph. Or, better, if the automobile was banned. It's not like ending the quarantine would be the same as picking out people and deliberately killing them for the greater good. The risk to any particular person, old or young, is at least partly conjectural.

Rob The original English ‘slow the spread’ Model included leaving the schools open. Because children appear not to be much at risk. The stop or suppress model is basically shelter in place even if thats not the legal situation. It means stop everything and stay home

As a joke I’ve been saying that closing the schools in America effectively means shelter in place because everyone is at home looking after the kids

I think French and Erickson are Leading with the duty with to the old Because a lot of people they are in daily conversation with are in denial because Trump. They also appreciate particularly Erickson that the behavior of the left practically causes other people to be in denial. So I think they have to talk to the denial people first and say look we do have a biblically warranted duty to the old. They are both smart guys and Im sure that once they get that first message across they’re going to go into the question of trade offs. They have got an audience who have got to be told that this is a real threat and they have a duty to their elders. That’s where they are right now

With his response to this crisis it is hard to imagine that trump could possibly be re-elected. He is a complete buffoon. The left doesn't need to do or say anything, just continue a loop of all the nonsense he has spouted from the beginning. It is an embarrassment to the nation.

Not true, Stu. If we come out of this in the fall with the effects not being too terrible, and if the economy remains relatively intact, Trump could very well reap the benefits of that electorally. I realize that those are two big "ifs," but they're not beyond the realm of possibility.

As for me, I'm prepared to have a "None of the Above 2020!" bumper sticker made. (In 2012 I had one made that said "White-Pinkman 2012: Respect the Chemistry")


Stu, I don't agree either. Yes, Trump is not the ideal commander in chief right now. The TV broadcast where he was vague about who was being blocked from returning flights to the USA and made it sound like trade and goods from Europe were also being blocked was just terrible, and typical. But according to Erickson, he was criticized back in January or February for blocking flights from China - that was Xenophobia back then; now its 'not doing enough'. And the business about not calling this 'Wuhan flu' or 'Chinese flu' is so stupid - we have had Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, etc all my life. Ebola is apparently a river in Africa. Is it unfair to pigs to talk about swine flu? Poor Wilbur!

If Im an American citizen by November, I will use the liberty by actually 'not voting' for the first time.

If it means 4 more years of trump and this whole thing ending as soon as possible, then that is okay! :-) However, I will vote for the other older man regardless.

"If it means 4 more years of trump and this whole thing ending as soon as possible, then that is okay!"

Yeah, that's exactly the way I'm looking at it. I'll take a good end to the thing even if it means DT getting re-elected, as opposed to it dragging on and him losing as a result.

By the way, a co-worker just explained the connection between COVID-19 and the toilet paper shortage: every time somebody sneezes ten people sh*t themselves.

there's a funny video going round with someone sneezing and everyone attacks them.

there's a funnier video out there with a professor singing 'I will zoom' to the tune of 'I'll survive'. I may not find it funny any more this time next week. Zoom classes start on Monday. I've done zoom meetings for our podcast, and even a zoom meeting with editors in different countries whilst on a bus to DC in January. I think I can hack zooming with 15 kids ok, though an IT guy at the dog park yesterday said the system keeps going down.

Glad to say this mid Western University is paying all the food people during the interim.

I heard that #boomerremover is one hashtag going around. Someone's kids just told me #boomerdoomer is another one.

This is the professor singing

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2020/03/17/%E2%80%98i-will-survive%E2%80%99-teaching-online

He's good! I was about to ask what "zoom" means but it's clear enough from the lyrics.

I feel sorry for the tech people having to make this happen. Poorer schools are likely to have a very rough time of it, as their infrastructure may not be able to handle this. Or maybe it's all "cloud" based now and the school's infrastructure is not the gating factor.

There's a really good chance that this is going to kill some small liberal arts colleges that have been teetering for a long time now. Recruiting students is hard enough, but if you can't go out and meet them, and they can't come to campus...

I ran across "boomer remover" a couple of days ago. I've been seeing that basic sentiment here and there for the past decade or so. It's kind of startling to hear people wish for your death, even if it's not personal.

A friend at our old school told me that someone in the administration said in a meeting, "We are one catastrophe away from closing." I hope that is not the case, Mac.

Funny "boomer" story. A lady I work with, who I think is right around 40 said one of her children said to her, "Okay, Boomer!"

I think that after about a month of this, when the governments cannot continue supporting all the businesses that would close and the people who are newly out of work, they will just tell the oldies to stay home. The oldies will be ordered home, possibly to baby sit the young whose schools are closing until September. The rest of us will start recirculating.

Other than that, I think they might let us volunteer in large numbers to test vaccines. Yes I know they could end up with large numbers of people sick from the vaccines. But Im not sure what else they can do, if they really can't do the normal tests on the vaccines in less than a year to eighteen months.

"one catastrophe away from closing" as you know is really not much of an exaggeration. All these little schools that are dependent on tuition and federal loans to survive from one year to the next have been an endangered species for a long time.

"...they will just tell the oldies to stay home..."

This seems like the reasonable position between letting it run its course and more or less shutting down the country.

Regarding Trump, the virus, and the election: the anti-Trump forces keep letting their frenzy get the better of them, with the result that a lot of people have just tuned them out. I don't mean the fervent Trump supporters who want to just deny that the problem is serious, but people like me who have been taught by the media and Democrats to assume that whatever they say about Trump is probably only half-true. There have been some egregious examples in the past few days. And of course the Trump zealots tend to assume it's almost all false.

Trump has said some stupid things, which of course is what he does constantly, and probably made some bad moves. But I doubt that the situation at this moment would be much better had someone else been president. So I do think it's entirely possible that he will win in November. Not predicting that he will, but I won't be surprised if he does.

Okay, Boomer!

This talk about the young and how they feel about old people made me think of two movies, Make Way for Tomorrow (1937) and Tokyo Story (1953). Both about families who really don't want to be bothered with old ma and pa.

:-) I'm okay with Okay, Boomer. Boomer Removal, not really.

Doom music:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/some-mood-music-for-the-apocalypse/

I could come up with a *much* darker playlist than that.

Stu's comment about the kid calling a 40 year old a boomer reminds me of Logan's Run where the teens were killing everyone over 30 (30!!!), and then at the end a little kid is holding a gun on the chief teenager and say, "You're old."

AMDG

It's downright weird that 30-year-olds are now considered barely, if at all, beyond adolescence. I haven't seen Logan's Run btw. At least I don't think I have...long ago if I did.

Marianne, I don't know Make Way for Tomorrow but have seen Tokyo Story twice, which is a lot for a 2:15 movie, for most of which not very much happens. It's beautiful.

Another weird day. President of the University extended closure of campus to the end of semester and my beauty salon announced temprary closure. Some of the news today was terrible!

The local arts and crafts festival has been cancelled for the first time since it began in the 1950s. And I should have been having pizza and talking Anglican patrimony stuff with our ordnariate group, but that was cancelled, too, although there are only a dozen or so of us.

My son came up with a new term for keeping in touch with your friends electronically during this time of social distancing: "distance socialing."

~~I could come up with a *much* darker playlist than that.~~

Oh, yeah. Me too.

"people like me who have been taught by the media and Democrats to assume that whatever they say about Trump is probably only half-true. There have been some egregious examples in the past few days. And of course the Trump zealots tend to assume it's almost all false."

I was talking about this exact thing with my daughter last night (she's 28 and works for a bank in Denver). Basically I told her that the best thing to do was to avoid bubble-think on both sides, because you're not going to get anything like the truth from either the Trump or anti-Trump zealots. Even though she's pretty strongly anti-Trump, she realizes that the partisan politicization of this whole thing is counterproductive, and a hindrance to "solving" it.

Like Dreher said yesterday, even if you hate Trump you should be hoping that he does the right things from here on in and that the measures are successful.

That saying about truth being the first casualty in war certainly applies to our political-cultural war.

I don't think the prestige media--NYT et al--really grasp how thoroughly they have discredited themselves. It's been in progress for decades, because anybody not in their bubble could see what their reporting and commentary left out. But now they've pretty much gone openly partisan, and are being received that way, yet they still expect to be the acknowledged arbiters of Truth. It's a real shame, because outside the realm of politics etc. they still have really good journalists doing a very good job.

For those of you who aren't on Facebook and may not have seen this, Pope Francis is asking everyone to pray the rosary at the same time today, which will be 3PM CDT, and you can figure out yours. ;-)

AMDG

Thank you. I usually do the Divine Mercy prayers then, but will do the rosary instead today.

"distance socialing" is great, Robert.

Yes, we've been told to say the luminous at 4 pm

I never did adjust to the Luminous addition. I will have to look that up.

I say the Divine Mercy then too. We just happen to be in the wrong time zone. I think there will be time for both.

AMDG

8000 as a percentage of 218000 does seem to be 3.6

1% would be 2180 so that’s ball-park-ishly reasonable. It passes the sanity check. :-)

But as your study says, if the real figure id 400.000 thousand world wide then its only slightly more deadly than flu

You're talking about that "evidence fiasco" article?

Yes sorry wrong thread

Logan's Run was mid-70s, and I don't remember anything about it but the last seen. I had to look up the name of the movie, I don't know who was in it, and couldn't tell you a thing about the characters or story line. So, you might have seen it. It wasn't particularly memorable.

AMDG

Last "seen"???? I have really lost it.

AMDG

I do stuff like that a lot.

Logan's Run must have had some kind of pop culture influence, because I see it mentioned fairly often. Or used to. A Boomer thing I guess.

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